Posts by Half banana

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"Straining the gnat, and gulping the camel"

by stuckinarut2 in

while watching the annual meeting videos on the official jw channel, i was struck with this scriptural expression:.

"they strain out the gnat, while gulping the camel" matt 23:24. this section was full of condemnation for the wicked religious leaders who were focusing on minor silly things rather than deep important topics.. the amount of silly things the gb focuses on is amazing!

they pedantically focus on things like proper pronunciation of words, (such as s lett joking about how isiah is best said), while missing major issues and topics like the proper handling of child abuse issues, or the court cases being lost worldwide!.

Half banana

If ever there was an organisation devoted to camel gulping and gnat straining it is the JW org!

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Not One JW Ever Actually Dies "In the Truth"

by Solzhenitsyn in

just a thought and perhaps this has been discussed before but no jehovah's witness ever actually dies in the truth.

pick a year, any year.

if a jw died in say 1920 or 2020 or whatever...the doctrines change so much and so fast that what is "truth" today is "untruth" the next within this religion.

Half banana

A valid thought Sol, how can a thing be true one year and not earlier or later.

JWs live the paradise dream which works fine as long as you don't start to question how true it really is.

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Sell your home and pioneer already!

by wannabefree in

a few weeks ago i took the jw channel off of our roku.

i was just cleaning off unused channels and wondered if my wife was actually watching this.

yep.

Half banana

After an alarm bell has been ringing for one hundred and forty years, it kind of loses its urgency.

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PIMO GB members?

by Half banana in

the gb individuals are chosen not by holy spirit as we well know but by being selected for one quality only, that of implaccable loyalty to the watchtower organisation.. to be up there requires the fixation that the org is being used by god -- even though now in the small print they claim they are not divinely guided -- what a laugh, what a puzzle?.

the more i watch their antics the more implausible they seem.

their function: to persuade as many people as possible to conform to their own whacky beliefs.. most jws eventually leave the fold, only one third remain as we understand, so will any of the gb become pimo?.

Half banana

Diogsis, yes isn't Losche Austrian? I think you have it, he misses the heady days of struggle when "the time left still made it possible WT theology could be true". I think sentiment for the good old days will surface soon.

But really the GB must be perfectly aware they have been flogging the dead donkey of the imminence of the end for one hundred and forty years. Are they just role playing-- but not truly believing?

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Flat Earth Jw and Galileo Galilei

by Earthmeasured in

in the image you can see what jw wrote about how galileo was treated by the catholic church.

now they are disfelloshipping me because i believe the earth is flat.

is this coherent?.

Half banana

Where are the compass points on a "discworld"?

Have you ever travelled across continents, over the polar route? How did Magellan sail around a discworld?

You are truly welcome to believe what you want, but try evidence for the basis of your beliefs. And all the best with the disfellowshipping.

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Flat Earth Jw and Galileo Galilei

by Earthmeasured in

in the image you can see what jw wrote about how galileo was treated by the catholic church.

now they are disfelloshipping me because i believe the earth is flat.

is this coherent?.

Half banana

Truly your brain is astounding! By the way acceleration only occurs with an increase in the rate of speed.

If the earth were flat, the centre of gravity would be at the centre of the disc and therefore everything on 'discworld' would be pulled sideways by gravity toward the middle axis and not toward the ground. We would have to sleep vertically with our beds up against the bedroom wall in the direction of the world's centre. . . The edge dwellers would be spinning at some speed and the central disc dwellers would be going round slowly in small circles. Like I think you are.

Please tell us something about yourself and how you have been able to put aside common sense and have come to believe such an idiotic idea.

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Flat Earth Jw and Galileo Galilei

by Earthmeasured in

in the image you can see what jw wrote about how galileo was treated by the catholic church.

now they are disfelloshipping me because i believe the earth is flat.

is this coherent?.

Half banana

Earthmeasured, believe it or not, what is wrong in your thinking is that you imagine that the Bible is God's inerrant word.

From a scientific point of view this premise is as useless as a lead balloon.

Wake up and get with it man!

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PIMO GB members?

by Half banana in

the gb individuals are chosen not by holy spirit as we well know but by being selected for one quality only, that of implaccable loyalty to the watchtower organisation.. to be up there requires the fixation that the org is being used by god -- even though now in the small print they claim they are not divinely guided -- what a laugh, what a puzzle?.

the more i watch their antics the more implausible they seem.

their function: to persuade as many people as possible to conform to their own whacky beliefs.. most jws eventually leave the fold, only one third remain as we understand, so will any of the gb become pimo?.

Half banana

I tend to agree that it is unlikely for a GB member to leave even if he wakes up and becomes PIMO. The disadvantages for a GB member to actually leave the org and become an outcast and vilified, would outweigh the social benefits i.e. remaining a pampered demigod albeit mentally out.

The big wigs in any operation or scheme or organisation religious or secular, if their heart isn't in it, become just actors who capably play their roles and perform as they are expected and are rewarded accordingly. This too can happen at JW HQ. Many Bethelites know things are seriously wrong in the JW world.

This situation demonstrates that the only GB member with the courage and honesty to act in accord with his conscience was Ray Franz. What a shining beacon of integrity that man really was!

The GB just like the organisation they control, is becoming hollow, just yielding the outward appearances of what they pretend they are doing, preaching salvation to the world. The world population is now growing faster than they are and the message is increasingly less interesting, less credible, less desirable, less valuable.

In time the appearance of conviction and "God's blessing" will diminish in the JW org but power hungry JWs will always want to be lording it over the humble sheep so GB members will probably hold on to the bitter end railing against Satan's world and getting the plaudits from the remaining faithful.

The flock have to live with cognitive dissonance, it keeps them dependant--then why not the leaders? Possibly because narcissists don't actually care about other people.

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Sir Isaac Newton

by I Faded Twice in

wasn't it isaac newton that calculated the date that the end would be?

it was like 2062 i think.

anyways why doesnt the gb adopt isaac newton say the end is coming in 2062 and then if it fails to come blame it on him?

Half banana

@Waton, I wasn't suggesting for a moment that there are geniuses of religion, just that religion was not Newton's specialism, being more akin to a hobby, like his interest in alchemy. He had cracked gravity, so he gave Biblical prophecy and making gold from base metal the object of his brilliant mind as well.

It would though be interesting to consider what a genius of religion would look like!

The candidate would have to be able to pull out of thin air ideas which have no evidential basis but have an aura of the sacred about them and then by using these, manipulate the minds and hearts of his audience to financially reward him for his unsupportable promises and deceptions. TV evangelists perhaps?

We could put forward Fred Franz, not motivated by wealth but for the whole of his long lifetime he communicated his utter conviction of Biblical certainty yet proved eventually to be totally wrong. How many did he influence: say twenty million JWs over sixty years? Genius? More of a fixated, narcissistic fanatic I think.

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PIMO GB members?

by Half banana in

the gb individuals are chosen not by holy spirit as we well know but by being selected for one quality only, that of implaccable loyalty to the watchtower organisation.. to be up there requires the fixation that the org is being used by god -- even though now in the small print they claim they are not divinely guided -- what a laugh, what a puzzle?.

the more i watch their antics the more implausible they seem.

their function: to persuade as many people as possible to conform to their own whacky beliefs.. most jws eventually leave the fold, only one third remain as we understand, so will any of the gb become pimo?.

Half banana

The GB individuals are chosen not by holy spirit as we well know but by being selected for one quality only, that of implaccable loyalty to the Watchtower organisation.

To be up there requires the fixation that the org is being used by God -- even though now in the small print they claim they are not divinely guided -- what a laugh, what a puzzle?

The more I watch their antics the more implausible they seem. Their function: to persuade as many people as possible to conform to their own whacky beliefs.

Most JWs eventually leave the fold, only one third remain as we understand, so will any of the GB become PIMO?

As the wind goes out of the sails of the JW org, will some GB members wake up? Or have they already? What would be the effect if one were to leave now?